Photographer
JSouthworth
Posts: 2099
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
Post hidden on Sep 07, 2025 01:39 pm
Reason: not helpful
Photographer
LightDreams
Posts: 4886
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
...and your accusations on MM that another, long established photographer and MM member, was ALSO a "dirty undercover cop" (that was, apparently, sent "to get you") was yet another product of your wild imagination.
Photographer
JSouthworth
Posts: 2099
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
LightDreams wrote:
...and your accusations on MM that another, long established photographer and MM member, was ALSO a "dirty undercover cop" (that was, apparently, sent "to get you") was yet another product of your wild imagination. YOUR imagination may be working overtime, if you're referring to the person I think you mean. "Long established photographer?" I don't think so. Dirty undercover cops are of course an occupational hazard in our business.
Photographer
LightDreams
Posts: 4886
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
JSouthworth wrote:
YOUR imagination may be working overtime I don't know why JSouthworth even bothers to deny it (NOTE: He's now COMPLETELY CHANGED his original flat denial post above), when I found a long list of his slanderous claims to that effect, STILL ON MM.
He repeatedly claimed the MM photographer was everything from a "dirty undercover cop" to a "dirty undercover police officer" to "an undercover cop with a head problem", etc.
These are all DIRECT QUOTES from JSouthworth's CURRENTLY AVAILABLE MM posts.
In fact the MM photographer he accused (who had been on MM LONG before JSouthworth) finally had to make the following post (in response to JSouthworth's constant slanderous accusations).
<Name Removed> wrote:
For the record, and in case MM admin or anyone else believes Southy's statement(s) about me are true, I'm not and have never been a police officer - undercover, dirty or otherwise. More complete sh*t from the troll.
Photographer
JSouthworth
Posts: 2099
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
LightDreams wrote:
He repeatedly claimed the MM photographer was everything from a "dirty undercover cop" to a "dirty undercover police officer" to "an undercover cop with a head problem", etc. I also messaged him (on another modelling site) to ask him whether he was working for West Midlands Police or for the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO), but he wasn't forthcoming on that question. There's no doubt in my mind that he was a police officer, or somebody with a serious pretence to being one. He had profiles under different names on various sites including PurplePort and Twitter/X.
Photographer
LightDreams
Posts: 4886
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
For those trying to keep track...
JSouthworth has gone from claiming:
- That he doesn't remember anything like any of this (his sudden "amnesia" stage)...
- To, okay, so he does remember the model he repeatedly accused (on MM for over 2 years) of being an undercover officer sent to entrap him, but has no memory of his constant accusations that another well-established photographer was ALSO a "dirty undercover cop" sent to MM to get him...
- To, flatly claiming that it didn't happen. He made no such statements and that this was (apparently) all a product of my imagination.
- To, once his actual quotes were posted, he completely wiped out his flat denial lies, and has now gone back to his claims that the photographer in question (supposedly) REALLY WAS (yet another!) undercover cop that was "out to get him", so to speak.
Come to your own conclusions.
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Another day in JSouthworth's world...
Admin
Mod 7 (Cust. Svc.)
Posts: 29576
El Segundo, California, US
 Moderator Warning! Please stop the back and forth bickering. And please stop gossiping about other people.
Photographer
JQuest
Posts: 2562
Syracuse, New York, US
JSouthworth wrote:
I'm not stating that it isn't her real name. I suspect that it isn't her real name. And I haven't outed her as working for the police because she's discussed it on another modelling site forum. It's probable that you're being disingenuous about not knowing the models real name since you never miss a chance to drop their name as being in your portfolio and your scrapbook, the gaslighting is ridiculously obvious. For the record when you take something that someone else has written about themselves from a password protected site (Linked In and another modeling site by your own admission) without their consent and then post it you are outing them. Especially when you post it in a publicly accessible forum such as MM's. You have no idea if they wanted that information divulged elsewhere, and we have no way of knowing what the context of that information was.
Thanks to the Moderators for deleting that information. We get that you feel you have been wrongly targeted by law enforcement, no one here can do anything about that, you should keep it to yourself as you're only making it worse by trying to defend what you did.
I will not be responding to anymore of your posts on this.
Photographer
JSouthworth
Posts: 2099
Kingston upon Hull, England, United Kingdom
Post hidden on Sep 08, 2025 05:26 am Reason: not helpful Comments: You just don't know when you quit.
Photographer
D L Photo
Posts: 79
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
everyone should subject themselves to a critique on here at least once. some people only want to be compiimented, which is not going to help them improve
Photographer
Lucifers_Corner
Posts: 77
Decatur, Georgia, US
Generally speaking...
Why would McDonald's, Burger King, Checkers/Rallys, and White Castle waste their time asking Wendy's what "she" thinks about them, knowing damn well that she's in love with herself and will slander you to make herself look good? How does that work out for you?
The only opinion that counts is the customers'. If you want an honest critique, ask them. As long as they're satisfied, you should be happy.
Model
Model Sarah
Posts: 41069
Columbus, Ohio, US
I remember a million years ago there were two INCREDIBLY talented photographers in the forums here who were giving VERY sound advice (this was before the critique part was created) to photographers. I believe this was in the photography part of the forums. These amateur "photographers" (we used to call them GWCs) were getting so angry and upset that (remember these were insanely talented guys) someone was telling them a better way to shoot something. (Think wrinkled bed sheets as a backdrop "photographers".) These guys just thought buying expensive equipment would make them better.
It was hilarious and kind of sad to watch. I remember both of them stopped posting and even one left because of how frustrating it was for him. They weren't being assholes or anything like that. I remember them being helpful and technical, sometimes funny.
Photographer
Chris Macan
Posts: 13197
HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US
Model Sarah wrote:
These amateur "photographers" (we used to call them GWCs) were getting so angry and upset that (remember these were insanely talented guys) someone was telling them a better way to shoot something. (Think wrinkled bed sheets as a backdrop "photographers".) These guys just thought buying expensive equipment would make them better. wronkled" the sheets were "wronkled'........
Photographer
Lucifers_Corner
Posts: 77
Decatur, Georgia, US
Chris Macan wrote:
wronkled" the sheets were "wronkled'........ Ah, memories.
Model
Model Sarah
Posts: 41069
Columbus, Ohio, US
Lucifers_Corner wrote:
Ah, memories. Holy shit, I just realized who you are. Wow.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28888
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Model Sarah wrote:
I remember a million years ago there were two INCREDIBLY talented photographers in the forums here who were giving VERY sound advice (this was before the critique part was created) to photographers. I believe this was in the photography part of the forums. These amateur "photographers" (we used to call them GWCs) were getting so angry and upset that (remember these were insanely talented guys) someone was telling them a better way to shoot something. (Think wrinkled bed sheets as a backdrop "photographers".) These guys just thought buying expensive equipment would make them better.
It was hilarious and kind of sad to watch. I remember both of them stopped posting and even one left because of how frustrating it was for him. They weren't being assholes or anything like that. I remember them being helpful and technical, sometimes funny. Sometimes I get the sense that there are a lot of photographers (especially on MM) only want to impress other photographers. I've been guilty of that too. But then I had an epiphany. The only thing that really matters to me anymore is that the model is impressed. Everyting else is just noise.
Model
Model Sarah
Posts: 41069
Columbus, Ohio, US
Arizona Shoots wrote:
Sometimes I get the sense that there are a lot of photographers (especially on MM) only want to impress other photographers. I've been guilty of that too. But then I had an epiphany. The only thing that really matters to me anymore is that the model is impressed. Everyting else is just noise. Totally agreed.
But I just never understood the vitriol or combativeness from said photographers. It would be different if the two talented photographers were saying; YOU SUCK DUMMY! But they were not. They were genuinely trying to help. I suppose it is just jealousy and insecure or even projection but jesus. To drive insane talent off of a forum for trying to help is crazy to me. I just don't understand it.
Photographer
Arizona Shoots
Posts: 28888
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Model Sarah wrote:
Totally agreed.
But I just never understood the vitriol or combativeness from said photographers. It would be different if the two talented photographers were saying; YOU SUCK DUMMY! But they were not. They were genuinely trying to help. I suppose it is just jealousy and insecure or even projection but jesus. To drive insane talent off of a forum for trying to help is crazy to me. I just don't understand it. Swinging their dicks.
Photographer
EdBPhotography
Posts: 7746
Torrance, California, US
Chris Macan wrote:
wronkled" the sheets were "wronkled'........ And "drappy."
Photographer
Lucifers_Corner
Posts: 77
Decatur, Georgia, US
EdBPhotography wrote:
And "drappy." Wait...
I was "graped" of mind and body.
Photographer
Lucifers_Corner
Posts: 77
Decatur, Georgia, US
Model Sarah wrote:
Holy shit, I just realized who you are. Wow. Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzlin' you
Is the nature of my game.
Model
Model Sarah
Posts: 41069
Columbus, Ohio, US
Lucifers_Corner wrote:
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzlin' you
Is the nature of my game. Just wishing you hadn't gone off into the deep end...
P.S. Can't wait to leave this world behind next week! 
Photographer
Lucifers_Corner
Posts: 77
Decatur, Georgia, US
Model Sarah wrote:
Just wishing you hadn't gone off into the deep end...
P.S. Can't wait to leave this world behind next week! What an interesting statement. The deep end of what, exactly?
Photographer
DTP - Photography
Posts: 103
Chesapeake, Virginia, US
Lucifers_Corner wrote:
What an interesting statement. The deep end of what, exactly? Apparently, this page. She has left before and come I believe.
Photographer
Lucifers_Corner
Posts: 77
Decatur, Georgia, US
DTP - Photography wrote:
Apparently, this page. She has left before and come I believe. Hey, phrasing.
Photographer
Audrey Rinehart
Posts: 60
New York, New York, US
Chris Macan wrote:
wronkled" the sheets were "wronkled'........ Remember when people on the MM forums referred to adult materials "pr0nz" ?
Pr0nz was lingo of the Wronkled Sheet era
Photographer
Chris Macan
Posts: 13197
HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US
Audrey Rinehart wrote:
Remember when people on the MM forums referred to adult materials "pr0nz" ?
Pr0nz was lingo of the Wronkled Sheet era I had forgotten the "pr0nz"!
Thank you, I needed more of that in my life....
This was the stupid shit that made the forums fun.
Photographer
Audrey Rinehart
Posts: 60
New York, New York, US
Chris Macan wrote:
I had forgotten the "pr0nz"!
Thank you, I needed more of that in my life....
This was the stupid shit that made the forums fun. 
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30211
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Model Sarah wrote:
I remember a million years ago there were two INCREDIBLY talented photographers in the forums here who were giving VERY sound advice (this was before the critique part was created) to photographers. I believe this was in the photography part of the forums. These amateur "photographers" (we used to call them GWCs) were getting so angry and upset that (remember these were insanely talented guys) someone was telling them a better way to shoot something. (Think wrinkled bed sheets as a backdrop "photographers".) These guys just thought buying expensive equipment would make them better.
It was hilarious and kind of sad to watch. I remember both of them stopped posting and even one left because of how frustrating it was for him. They weren't being assholes or anything like that. I remember them being helpful and technical, sometimes funny. I believe that I started out as one of those wonkled sheet GWCs to some degree
And Yes there were some Very Talented Photographers like Neil Snape who provided great feedback that helped me grow
But there were also some Very Talented Photographers who were quite Nasty as well
I didn’t really complain much about that though because I was quite nasty myself in some ways
Photographer
Camera Buff
Posts: 1111
Maryborough, Queensland, Australia
Arizona Shoots wrote:
I found this to be pretty good insight on the subject..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q-GZkOwGco Photographers criticizing other photographers..
It is important to filter out unhelpful noise, focus on your own creative goals, and recognize that criticism is often subjective.
Model
Model Sarah
Posts: 41069
Columbus, Ohio, US
Garry k wrote:
I believe that I started out as one of those wonkled sheet GWCs to some degree
And Yes there were some Very Talented Photographers like Neil Snape who provided great feedback that helped me grow
But there were also some Very Talented Photographers who were quite Nasty as well
I didn’t really complain much about that though because I was quite nasty myself in some ways Mmm..... hear me out... If I remember correctly, you never really understood internet humor. The one photographer I am talking about was almost a stand up comedian. But sometimes that doesn't go well online ESPECIALLY 20 YEARS AGO.
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30211
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Model Sarah wrote:
Mmm..... hear me out... If I remember correctly, you never really understood internet humor. The one photographer I am talking about was almost a stand up comedian. But sometimes that doesn't go well online ESPECIALLY 20 YEARS AGO.
Honestly I found my own humour in things
and there were a lot of people and a lot of things to laugh at
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