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Photographer

UGHHGs

Posts: 17

South Orange, New Jersey, US

What do you think about photographers who post tons of model images but never post the model's info or links.  Do you think they don't want anyone else creating images of these models?

Nov 05 25 03:48 pm Link

Photographer

samreevesphoto

Posts: 680

Santa Cruz, California, US

I will if the model was cool and easy to work with.  If the model was a PITA, then I will just kindly leave it off.

Nov 09 25 09:34 am Link

Photographer

Wotam

Posts: 15

Orlando, Florida, US

I usually ask the model if she wants me to credit her. They're usually chill about it. I have had models ask me not to credit them. I never ask way, I just comply with their wishes. In the end it's to their benefit but, I let them make that call. If I ask and I don't get an answer then I assume they're chill with it.

Nov 09 25 11:48 am Link

Photographer

Frederick C

Posts: 144

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I recently had a travelling model who wanted me to get her approval before posting any image of her.  This is despite the agreed modelling fee as well as a signed Model Release; which she signed, waiving all rights for that particular shoot with me as the named photographer.  So now she accuses me of abusing her trust, beacause her claim is that she has the request on her webpage; that all images must be approved.  I say that her onetime signed model release to me, waives the requirement of her general webpage statement!

So I leave her name off the images i provided that she did not like, per her later request.  None of my images were explicit or sexualy toned; they were Art Nude.

Nov 19 25 08:39 am Link

Photographer

Eric212Grapher

Posts: 3848

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

I never try to guess the reason people do what they do. Probably dozens of reason why any particular photographer does not credit the model.

I wish more photographers did credit their models, especially if the model is a member here at ModelMayehm. The model can easily remove the credit if so desired.

Nov 19 25 10:54 pm Link

Photographer

Chris Macan

Posts: 13197

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

While I do find links to the model and credits to be helpful,
If the model is not on Model Mayhem there historically was not an easy way to link them.
Hell, even linking credits to models on MM has not always been particularly easy.

and yes, people are lazy and many don't like to share.

Nov 20 25 04:33 am Link

Photographer

JQuest

Posts: 2562

Syracuse, New York, US

When the model is on this platform, I always link and credit them unless they ask not to be, If they are not on MM I identify them as "Model Not on MM" unless they provide a link that they would like included.

Nov 20 25 06:25 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30211

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I probably shoot about 2/3rds agency models at this time and I generally just credit the agency. Most of these Models won’t / or are not allowed to talk with photographers directly ( unless maybe you are friends with them )

as far as the Independent Models I shoot with - Mostly I just let them decide if they want to be credited

Nov 20 25 10:15 am Link

Photographer

Garry k

Posts: 30211

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Frederick C wrote:
I recently had a travelling model who wanted me to get her approval before posting any image of her.  This is despite the agreed modelling fee as well as a signed Model Release; which she signed, waiving all rights for that particular shoot with me as the named photographer.  So now she accuses me of abusing her trust, beacause her claim is that she has the request on her webpage; that all images must be approved.  I say that her onetime signed model release to me, waives the requirement of her general webpage statement!

So I leave her name off the images i provided that she did not like, per her later request.  None of my images were explicit or sexualy toned; they were Art Nude.

she sounds like trouble

Wants to be paid and wants to control the images

Nov 20 25 10:41 am Link

Photographer

Frederick C

Posts: 144

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Nov 20 25 12:52 pm Link

Photographer

Frederick C

Posts: 144

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Garry k wrote:
she sounds like trouble

Wants to be paid and wants to control the images

Well said!
Very beautiful; but too controlling in posing as well.

Nov 20 25 12:54 pm Link

Photographer

Midnight Picnic

Posts: 42

Los Angeles, California, US

If the model has an account on the platform I'm posting (whether that is MM, Instagram, or Tumblr), I'll add their account info. 

If the model is an actual working model looking to book work, I usually include the info, but if it's just a friend who agreed to model for me, or if it's a person who has officially quit modeling, I don't include their info. 

I'm not trying to gatekeep any models, and I understand that MM is a networking site, but the point of my portfolio is for booking work with other models, not to help other photographers book models I've previously worked with.

Nov 20 25 03:33 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28888

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Frederick C wrote:
I recently had a travelling model who wanted me to get her approval before posting any image of her.  This is despite the agreed modelling fee as well as a signed Model Release; which she signed, waiving all rights for that particular shoot with me as the named photographer.  So now she accuses me of abusing her trust, beacause her claim is that she has the request on her webpage; that all images must be approved.  I say that her onetime signed model release to me, waives the requirement of her general webpage statement!

So I leave her name off the images i provided that she did not like, per her later request.  None of my images were explicit or sexualy toned; they were Art Nude.

Her modeling fee should have been (Rate=#of images taken/number of images approved)

Nov 20 25 07:20 pm Link

Photographer

Frederick C

Posts: 144

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Arizona Shoots wrote:
Her modeling fee should have been (Rate=#of images taken/number of images approved)

Thank you and an interesting idea if she comes to Toronto in future and wishes to shoot again.

Nov 21 25 09:47 am Link

Photographer

Certain Exposures

Posts: 183

Washington, District of Columbia, US

UGHHGs wrote:
What do you think about photographers who post tons of model images but never post the model's info or links.  Do you think they don't want anyone else creating images of these models?

It could be deliberate in some cases. I imagine it's not in most cases. I stopped sharing my images of models that are not on Model Mayhem or other socials here because I realized it upsets people.

It's easy enough to find out if the model is on MM if you hunt a bit. You could even post a link in the forums and ask.

Nov 22 25 10:18 am Link

Photographer

Camera Buff

Posts: 1111

Maryborough, Queensland, Australia

Frederick C wrote:
I recently had a travelling model who wanted me to get her approval before posting any image of her.  This is despite the agreed modelling fee as well as a signed Model Release; which she signed, waiving all rights for that particular shoot with me as the named photographer.  So now she accuses me of abusing her trust, beacause her claim is that she has the request on her webpage; that all images must be approved.  I say that her onetime signed model release to me, waives the requirement of her general webpage statement!

So I leave her name off the images i provided that she did not like, per her later request.  None of my images were explicit or sexualy toned; they were Art Nude.

Kudos to the model for using her ‘About Me’ profile to alert photographers to the fact that before she'll agree to doing a shoot, she wants her photographer to agree to showing and getting her approval before posting any of her images.

What possibly hurt the model most is knowing that you read her 'About Me’ conditions, but still agreed to proceed with the shoot. Possibly knowing you could later hide behind the legality of a Model Release to waive any responsibility you have to honour her documented pre-shoot conditions.

Why agree to proceed with a shoot if you intend to ignore your model's pre-shoot conditions?

Feeling anger or frustration when she considers something is unjust or wrong is a normal human response.

Dec 10 25 11:21 am Link

Photographer

Bob Helm Photography

Posts: 18974

Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US

This is a networking site so I always link to the model if on MM, if she is not but is on IG I may list her IG. Some models and photographers never link, their idea is that their port promotes the not other talent. I dont dubdvribe to that line o thinking.
Some models do not want to be linked on nudes if available to general public

Dec 18 25 09:16 pm Link

Photographer

Omaroo

Posts: 1175

Madison, Wisconsin, US

UGHHGs wrote:
What do you think about photographers who post tons of model images but never post the model's info or links.  Do you think they don't want anyone else creating images of these models?

Yes, I do think that some photographers who do this are akin to a dog pissing around the neighborhood. They don't want anyone moving in on "their models." It's annoying.

Dec 23 25 01:17 pm Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13574

Washington, Utah, US

Some models wish to keep a low profile and not be linked or credited. Some models are not MM models and have no online modeling page to link to. 

I figure why a photographer or model may or may not link each other is between them and none of my business.

Dec 23 25 03:53 pm Link

Photographer

Dmin99

Posts: 33

Mesa, Arizona, US

When I first joined, 10+ years ago, I always credited the models.
Then, I took a LOOONG break.
Since I've been back, I've noticed a big change in the models.
It's not the same as it was.
Many things are different.
Every model who I've worked with in the past year, when asked if they want to be credited, never respond.
Since I mainly do anonymous figure stuff, I don't push it.
If any of them asked me to credit them I certainly would (with one exception).

Dec 23 25 05:57 pm Link

Photographer

Dmin99

Posts: 33

Mesa, Arizona, US

Frederick C wrote:

Well said!
Very beautiful; but too controlling in posing as well.

Name start with an "L"?

Dec 24 25 01:37 pm Link

Photographer

Dmin99

Posts: 33

Mesa, Arizona, US

Dmin99 wrote:

Name start with an "L"?

Or a double M?
M___ M_______

Dec 24 25 04:22 pm Link

Photographer

Frederick C

Posts: 144

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

No, ‘A' from Europe. I leave out the country intentionally. Her real name start with ‘M'

Dec 25 25 09:28 am Link

Photographer

Dmin99

Posts: 33

Mesa, Arizona, US

Thanks.
I guess there are a few of them out there.
I'm at the point where the next time someone pulls something, anything, it's out the door time.
My portfolio stands on its own.
I communicate very clearly with the model before the shoot.
And I still encounter issues.
When did photography become about the model and not about the photographer's concepts and vision?

Dec 25 25 11:03 pm Link

Photographer

Dmin99

Posts: 33

Mesa, Arizona, US

Frederick C wrote:
No, ‘A' from Europe. I leave out the country intentionally. Her real name start with ‘M'

My "L" is from Europe living in the U.S., real name M.
She actually drove a photographer insane (not in a good way) - he has a part of his site dedicated to her!
It's scary.
Anyway... no "A" anywhere, so different person.

Dec 25 25 11:08 pm Link